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Die Übersetzung von Jans Stimme vom Deutschen ins Englische wurde mit einer KI erstellt.

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In der Schatten der Krieg gegen Iran, eine andere Krieg ist in Lebanon auch.

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Wieder wieder, muss man sagen. Und obwohl Donald Trump, der Präsident der USA,

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hat ein Krieg für Lebanon ein paar Tage vorgegeben, die kämpfe in den Süden des Landen weitergeht.

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Die gesamte villages sind zu verabschieden. Hunderts und tausende Menschen sind fliehen.

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Und natürlich muss man die Frage, When children are sleeping in classrooms,

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when parents are fleeing for the 10th time, can one really still speak of a ceasefire?

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And what is happening to the people in the country?

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In Crisis Mode, the podcast from Conflict Zones with Jan Jessen.

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Welcome to In Crisis Mode. I'm Jan Jessen, war and crisis reporter for the Funke

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Media Group. A few days ago, I was once again in Lebanon.

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I had already been there last December. Then again four weeks ago. And now once more.

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This time I was travelling with Friedensdorf International, a humanitarian aid

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organisation based in Oberhausen. You probably know them already.

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We've featured them several times on the programme.

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And of course we'll include links in the show notes to everything we've experienced with them so far.

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As I said, the ceasefire that Trump announced a few days ago,

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which is also supposed to apply to Lebanon, does not really exist,

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at least not in the south of the country.

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There are dozens of bombardments every day by the Israeli armed forces on one side.

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On the other side, there are daily attacks by Hezbollah, the Shiite militant

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group that is strong in southern Lebanon, against the Israeli forces that have

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moved in with ground troops.

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Israel in turn wants to establish a buffer zone in order to stop attacks on northern Israel.

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So this country is still very, very far from any kind of ceasefire.

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And we were there in Lebanon to see how people are coping.

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Around 800,000 people have been displaced from the south of the country to Beirut,

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der Lebanese capital, und zu dem nord der Lande.

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Schulen haben sich in die emergency gesellschaftlich gegründet.

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Prices sind in der ganzen Welt, partly wegen der Klosch der Strait des Hormuz.

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Das ist ein Land auf dem Brink. Das ist das wir da.

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Wir waren da auch da, weil der Städte Regierung von North Rhine-Westphalia hat

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gerade 100,000 Euro in finanziert.

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Die Geld wurde von Friedensdorf gegründet, so dass, mit local Partnern,

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sie konnte das Lande organisieren.

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Travelling with us was Josef Neumann, a member of the State Parliament for the

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SPD and chairman of the Health Committee in the North Rhine-Westphalia Parliament.

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He joined us to assess the situation firsthand and to see where and how the

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aid from North Rhine-Westphalia is reaching people in Lebanon.

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Among other places, we visited one of these schools in Beirut that has now become an emergency shelter.

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Overall, it's an extremely difficult situation because all public schools have

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been used as shelters since March 2nd.

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That means regular schooling is no longer possible in Lebanon.

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The date is important because the bombings by the United States and Israel against

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Iran began on March 28th.

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The following day, Hezbollah decided to enter the war as well.

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Hezbollah is a Shiite organization financed, trained and equipped by Iran.

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Und eine große Rolle in ihrer Identität hat immer den Kampf gegen Israel und

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die Struktur der Israel-State.

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Over den Jahren, es hat viele Worte mit Israel-State kämpft.

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Und jetzt, wie ich sagte, es hat wieder einmal den Konflikt auf Iran-Side.

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Die ganze Land hat sich als resultiert, und wir konnten das clearly fühlen,

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während unserer Besuchung.

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Wir besuchen eine dieser Schulen in Al-Mazrah, eine Stadt in den Norden Beirut,

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in der Hauptstadtstelle von Sunni-Muslims.

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Just als Hintergrundinformation, Lebanon ist ein multikonfessional, multireligious Land.

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Roughlich ein-durchschnitt der Bevölkerung ist Christian, ein-durchschnitt von

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Sunni-Muslim und ein-durchschnitt von Shiite-Muslim.

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Das ist nicht genau so leicht.

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Als ich schon sagte, Al-Mazrah ist ein predominantly Sunni-Distritt,

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aber viele Shiite-Refügeer aus dem Süden haben auch hier.

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Wir besuchen die Schule.

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Besuchen die Schule. It was an extremely striking and disturbing sight.

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There was a huge crater where an apartment building had once stood,

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with neighbouring houses damaged and facades torn away.

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And this happened just 200 metres from the school where the refugees are being housed.

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Israel says it targeted Hezbollah positions there, a Hezbollah command centre or something similar.

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But even so, you can clearly feel in Beirut just how close the war has come

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to these refugee shelters.

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Inside the shelter were several dozen displaced people, The people running the

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facility oversee five different shelters, housing a total of 370 refugees.

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Conditions are, of course, far from ideal. Ten people are living together in a single classroom.

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The man in charge of the shelter explained the challenges they are facing.

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He said that one of their biggest problems is access to proper food,

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and that hygiene issues are constantly arising as well.

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Just over two hours ago, we returned from a food.

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Vor gut zwei Stunden sind wir zurückgekommen von einer Lebensmittelverteilung.

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Das Land NRW und wir erneut... Yes, we're in Beirut right now,

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back at the hotel. We're sitting outside and reflecting on the day.

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Just over two hours ago, we returned from a food distribution.

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The state of North Rhine-Westphalia, and we ourselves, with NRW contributing

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for the first time, made a donation to our partner organisation,

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Tima, so they could purchase food for refugees.

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Und als ich gesagt habe, wir haben einfach nur ein Wir haben einfach nur ein

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In der Stadt, wo Shiite und Sunni Refugees sind Housed zusammen in eine Public-School,

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Currently, 370 People are living in That school Und natürlich,

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They need absolutely Everything,

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Wir felt that the Most important thing At first was Simply making sure People

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had enough To eat Children in particular Need proper nutrition Und wir waren

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Very happy to see How Tima also Took cultural aspects Into account When it came

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To the food For example They included foods In the packages die Menschen aus

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dem Süden kennenlernen und genügend zu essen.

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The person you just heard was Claudia Peppmüller, spokesperson for Friedensdorf

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International, which has been providing humanitarian aid in Lebanon for quite some time now.

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The state of North Rhine-Westphalia, which Claudia just mentioned,

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provided funding there.

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That money is being used to organize humanitarian assistance in Lebanon.

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In this specific case, food distribution. Some time ago, the state had already

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funded two so-called food trucks, refrigerated trucks used to distribute food supplies.

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Und jetzt haben sie ihre Unterstützung wieder erhöht, um noch 100,000 Euro zu helfen.

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Natürlich, und das muss man auch sagen, ist das nur ein Drop in den Osten.

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In der Ende, mit 800,000 displaced Menschen, internal refugees,

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meaning Lebanese citizens, die von den Süden zu Beirut sind, ist relativ wenig.

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Und wenn man also consider dass rund 1,000,000 Syrien refugees sind in der Land

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selbst, die Situation wird sogar noch schwieriger. Es ist einfach ein Schotage von allem.

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Food, shelter, medicine.

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Und oft sogar die Basis, wie towels oder andere Hygiene-Produkte, sind missing.

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Wenn wir da sind, Claudia Peppmüller selbst wurde eine kleine Sensation.

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Claudia hat blondes Haar und nicht eine Headscarf. Und natürlich war sie sofort

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bei allen Kindern in der Schilder.

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Es war auch mit den Kindern zu sprechen.

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Sie kamen direkt, also waren neugierig. Es war also deeply moving to speak with the children.

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They came up to us immediately, curious about where we came from,

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asking questions about why we were there.

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Because it is still very, very rare for foreigners to come here and actually

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join the aid distribution inside the shelters.

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What was especially striking was seeing how children process these experiences.

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Some of them have lived through bombardments. We heard that in the north as

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well. Some have seen dead bodies.

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What struck me about the children was that some of them seemed extremely hyperactive,

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almost overstimulated.

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A few had already entered a kind of survival mode where they had somehow adapted

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to this truly terrible situation.

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They are living in incredibly cramped conditions, sometimes with ten family

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members sharing a small classroom.

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And with others, you had the feeling that you simply couldn't reach them at

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all, even when you spoke directly to them.

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Sie gar nicht, auch wenn man sie anspricht.

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Yes, as I said, this wasn't my first time in Lebanon. I had already been there

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in December and looked at the south of the country.

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At that time, there were no active military clashes.

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Hezbollah also stayed out of the previous war with Iran, the so-called 12-day

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war in June of last year, which involved heavy bombardments on both sides,

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Israel and the United States against Iran, and Iran against Israel.

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Back then, Hezbollah had stayed out of that conflict, although it had previously

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fought alongside Hamas after the Hamas terrorist attack in October 2023.

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As a result, there had already been significant destruction in the South.

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And when I was there last, in March, it was during what you could call the most

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intense phase of the conflict when there was still mutual fire between Iran

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and Israel and at the same time Israeli bombardments in Beirut.

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That was not the case this time. During our visit, nothing fell on Beirut in the days we were there.

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Not even in Dahieh, the Shiite stronghold, a suburb of Beirut.

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Nothing happened there either. However, we were told that heavy fighting was

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taking place in the south of the country while we were there.

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Fortunately, we didn't witness any of it this time. And of course,

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that was also a relief for the

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people in Beirut, who were at least spared bombardments during those days.

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And Claudia Pepmüller describes it like this.

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Also in Beirut, you can see, at

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certain points, that weeks ago individual buildings were heavily bombed.

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This neighbourhood here, we are not allowed to enter it.

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Of course, that would have been very interesting for us, if only to see whether

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aid could be provided there, but we are not allowed in because the district

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still runs the risk of being bombed again. It's the same in the south.

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Access there is also blocked for us due to the intense fighting.

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People earlier reported that it had never been as bad as it was yesterday.

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So there must have been very heavy bombardments.

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Here in Beirut, I have to say, I don't feel threatened by the situation for

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a single moment. I do feel it is safe here.

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We have experienced other situations where you thought, no, this is different.

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That would be my assessment of the situation. Also ich empfinde das schon als sicher.

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Sie beschreibt die Situation auf dem Boden als relativ calm.

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Und ich muss sagen, das war eigentlich auch unsere Erfahrung.

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In March, als wir da waren, wir noch sahen Israeli aircraft fliegen über Beirut,

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an extrem speed, breaking die Sound-barrier.

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Es gab einen enormen Sonnig boom, der wirklich frightened Menschen.

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Es ist ziemlich stöchentlich, ich muss sagen, wenn Sie da sind.

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Aber nichts von dem das this time passiert.

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Die nur was wir da hörten, als wir da waren, war ein Drone, ein Surveillance-Drone, über die Stadt.

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You could hear it clearly. It has a sound like a motorcycle.

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You hear it very distinctly. It is also a kind of show of force by the Israeli

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armed forces, to make it clear, listen up, we are here, and please don't cause

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any trouble in Beirut at least.

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As mentioned, there is heavy fighting in the south of the country.

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Hezbollah is attacking Israeli troops there, and Israel is carrying out very

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heavy bombardments in the south these days.

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With Friedensdorf International, I have not only been to Lebanon,

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but also, for example, to Afghanistan, another very compelling country,

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and of course also a deeply tragic one when it comes to the situation on the ground.

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As I said earlier, we will also put the details of those experiences into the show notes.

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Also traveling with us in Lebanon was Joseph Neumann, an SPD politician,

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a member of the state parliament and chairman of the Health Committee,

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who has a lot of experience with Lebanon, has visited the country frequently,

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und ist jemanden, der sich zu helfen, dass Lebanon nicht vergessen ist.

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Er war auch sehr beeindruckt, was er da war.

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Denn, wie ich gesagt habe, Lebanon ist eigentlich ein Land auf dem Brink.

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Das ist auch connected zu dem Fakt, dass die Lebanese Regierung.

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At least die Christian und Sunni-Muslimen parts von es, no longer wollen Hezbollah.

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Sie sagen, dass Hezbollah repeatedly provokes Israeli attacks und jederzeit

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der Rest der Land ist in ein Konflikt, das ist nicht its own.

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For that reason, the Lebanese government decided back in August last year that

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Hezbollah should be disarmed and turned into a purely political party.

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Hezbollah refuses to do so. And this was something that came through very clearly,

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almost between the lines, in all the conversations we had.

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A growing fear that Lebanon could once again slide into civil war,

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like the one the country experienced between 1975 and 1990.

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Einige von euch daran erinnern. Es war eine extrem brutale Zivilwahr,

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mit massiver Destruction über das ganze Land, mit verschiedenen Partien und

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religiösen Gemeinden, die sich gegen andere kämpfen.

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Und die Begründung ist, dass etwas so etwas zurückkehren könnte.

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Ja, Libanon besteht seit Jahren die Herausforderung, sich in einer Krisensituation zu befinden.

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Und aktuell kommt noch eine Kriegssituation dazu.

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Wir haben 100 Es gibt noch Tausende flüchtlinge aus Süd-Libanon.

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Die auf der Flucht sind, aufgrund der...

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...Lebanon, für Jahre, die Herausforderungen sind in einer constanten Stade of Crisis.

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Und jetzt haben wir eine Situation in der Lage, eine Situation in der Süd-Libanon.

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Wir haben Hunderts und Hunderts von Thausenden von Süd-Libanon,

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die vor allem die Militär bombardungen in der Süd-Libanon flüchtlinge,

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Sie sind oft in Beirut, oder anderen Bereichen, in der Süd-Libanon.

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Diese Menschen sind in der Lage, in der Süd-Libanon zu helfen.

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As we have seen, public schools are filled with many refugees who need to be cared for.

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But this also means that schools cannot operate normally, and hundreds of thousands

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of students are unable to attend public education.

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This shows just how difficult the situation has become for people in the country.

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In addition, there is an extremely high inflation rate, along with very high living costs.

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What people need is, at a minimum, a daily meal, a roof over their heads,

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and, where possible, employment. Although the latter is currently barely functioning

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for many people in Lebanon.

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And when you look at the children, at their faces, you realize that these children

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will only have a sustainable future in their lives if there is peace and if

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we enable them to survive in this country.

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And survival means supporting them with food supplies, but also with medical

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care. Because healthcare in Lebanon is particularly expensive.

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And that is a very, very major challenge.

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Haben, wenn es Frieden gibt.

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Und wenn wir ihnen ein Überleben in diesem Land ermöglichen.

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Und Überleben heißt, sie zu unterstützen im Bereich der Lebensmittelversorgung,

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aber auch im Bereich der medizinischen Versorgung, denn medizinische Versorgung

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ist im Libanon besonders teuer.

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Yes, Josef Neumann addressed this as well. The country is facing enormous challenges.

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As I mentioned earlier, there are not only these 800.000 internally displaced

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people von den anderen Ländern, die jetzt in die Stadt sind,

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in den Städten haben, oder sind auf den Straßen.

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Auf dem auch, da sind rund 1 Millionen von Syrien aus Syrien.

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Wir haben auch einige in Rahbeh, eine Stadt in northern Lebanon.

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These waren Alawite Menschen, die in March von dem Jahr flog.

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At der Zeit, da war ein Massaker auf der Syrien-Koast. Islamist groups,

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attributed zu den Transitionen-Governement, carried out attacks against Alawite

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communities there, killing many people.

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Tens of thousands then fled. They were added to the already large number of

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Syrian refugees who were already in the country, in Lebanon.

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These people are also living in extremely precarious conditions.

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They are essentially in the country illegally, as Lebanon does not have an asylum

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system like the one we have.

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They have to somehow get by, are supported through aid organizations,

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but as mentioned, they are an additional burden on the country.

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Es ist auch wichtig zu verstehen, dass Lebanon eine Population von über 5 Millionen Menschen hat.

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So diese 5 Millionen Menschen sind nun effektivt für 800,000 internen Displaced

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Personen, 1 Millionen Syrien Refugee und auch über 200,000 Palästinien,

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die in der Lande leben als Refugee in der Stadt für Jahre.

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Das ist eine sehr große Herausforderung. Ich finde es sehr richtig,

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dass Friedensdorf International ist hier, und dass die Stadt der Nrw-Westphalia

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in Nordrhein-Westphalia auch schon ein paar Zeit ist, in den meansen es hat.

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Was ist auch visible, however, ist die sehr starken commitment der verschiedenen

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Christen Kirchen in der Lande. Und das ist sicherlich die Menschen in einer interfaithen Weise.

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Menschen sind nicht gefragt, was religion sie belong zu ist, in order zu bekommen.

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Und ich glaube, dass das ein wichtiges Seed in einem Land wie Lebanon ist,

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wo wir so eine große Rolle in einem Land wie den Libanon haben,

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und damit auch an unterschiedlichen sozialen, politischen und sozialen Strukturen. in diesem Lande haben.

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What Josef just mentioned I also found quite remarkable. The local partner organisation

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of Friedensdorf is an organisation called Tima, which Claudia already briefly referred to earlier.

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Tima consists of Baptists, Evangelical Christians. One could view that critically or not.

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In any case, these people are very deeply rooted in their faith,

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and they are supporting Shiite refugees in the school we visited.

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They are also supporting Alawite refugees in Raabé, completely independent of

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what religion, ethnicity or country of origin they belong to.

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And this is what Joseph already pointed out, perhaps also an opportunity for

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Lebanon, that there are people who look beyond these sectarian divides and build

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bridges simply by helping others in a selfless way.

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It was also remarkable for me to see how that can work.

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The head or organizer of this facility, the school, this refugee shelter,

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also made it very clear that religious and political flags or symbols are not allowed in this school,

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simply because the aim is not to deepen the divides, but to close them,

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to fill them in, the divides that exist in this country.

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This is what Lebanon is defined by, its multi-confessional, multi-religious character.

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In a way, that is something wonderful, something beautiful.

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When you travel through Lebanon, you see mosques, viele christian-churches und

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eine sehr lange Geschichte von verschiedenen Ethnicitäten, Religionen und Confessions leben.

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However, in recenten Decades, dies auch ein Curse für Lebanon ist.

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Die Civil War ist noch sehr presentiert in den Memorien von vielen Menschen,

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und viele jetzt Angst, dass es wieder auszultert wird,

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weil Hezbollah ist nicht das die Regierung hat eigentlich entschieden,

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um zu disarmen und zu werden, eine politische Partei, in order to finally bring

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peace to this front and to end the wars with Israel.

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And in the end, no one knows what the future will bring.

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Das Entscheidende ist, wir müssen alles dafür tun, dass es den Waffenstillstand hier gibt.

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The crucial point is that we must do everything we can to ensure that there

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is a ceasefire here. And that requires many diplomatic approaches.

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It is extremely important to enter into diplomatic dialogue on this issue with

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all countries that are involved in this war, that naturally includes Israel.

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In addition, there is the conflict with Iran, which plays a central role.

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And then one has to look at the situation on the ground, wo es Hezbollah ist

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und die notwendige Disarmung von Hezbollah ist. Wer kann das eigentlich tun?

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Wer kann das eigentlich tun? Es gibt viele politische Probleme,

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die sich nicht mehr bewegen müssen. Und einfach standen und watchen wird nicht

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genug, dass wir eine politische Wörter geben müssen.

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Und die Zuschauer wird nicht genug, um diesen Konflikt und diesen Krieg nur

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anzuladen zu beenden. Joseph already said it.

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The most important thing is to stabilize the ceasefire and to establish channels

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of communication. That is also difficult.

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Donald Trump, the US president, has in fact called on Netanyahu,

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the Israeli prime minister, and the Lebanese government, represented by President

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Joseph Ayoun, to hold talks in Washington.

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As of the time this podcast was recorded, that has not yet happened.

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Ayoun is also viewed critically because there appear to be communication channels

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zwischen den Israelis und der Lebanese government.

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On the road from Beirut towards the airport, you pass through Dahyeh,

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the Shiite stronghold, where you see images everywhere of Khamenei,

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the Iranian religious leader who was killed at the beginning of the conflict,

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as well as other Shiite leaders such as Qasem Soleimani and others who have

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been killed in various conflicts over the years.

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And now, on a bridge, you see an image of Aoun in traditional Israeli clothing,

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with an Israeli flag in the background.

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They are essentially branding the Lebanese president, their own president in

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fact, as an Israeli agent, which of course makes the situation somewhat dangerous.

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But in the end there is no alternative.

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Of course you have to talk to Israel, and ideally Hezbollah would also have

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to talk to Israel, but due to its ideology, it simply cannot or is not allowed to.

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Israel will also likely never speak directly with Hezbollah.

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So it must now be the task of the Lebanese government to disarm Hezbollah and

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to convince Hezbollah that it no longer makes sense to seek this constant conflict

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with Israel, especially since they are repeatedly losing these wars.

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In the end, entire villages in southern Lebanon lie in ruins and the people

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who have fled from the south may have difficulties returning if this conflict situation does not end.

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The entire country is standing on the edge of the abyss and may even be pushed

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into it. Das ist sehr wichtig, dass dies von der anderen Seite moderiert ist,

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und dass Deutschland in diesem Rolle auch.

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Als eine der Welt größten, mit considerable influence zu können,

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es sollte nicht die Feld entweder zu den Amerikanern, wenn es um die Negotiations zu kommen.

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Aber eher Europa, und Deutschland in particular, sollte nicht nur die Humanität

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nicht nur die Hilfe, sondern auch die Politik politisch zu medieren, die Situation.

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Das, ich glaube, ist sehr wichtig, weil wenn Deutschland in der Abyss fällt,

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Then for purely self-interested reasons alone, one can say, that must not happen.

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Many refugees have told us that they no longer see their future in Lebanon because

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of the constant conflicts they experience there.

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Instead, they see their future in Europe, in Canada, in the United States and elsewhere.

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And if we do not want even more refugees coming to Europe and Germany and the

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situation here potentially becoming more tense, including a rise in far-right

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politics, then we have to help on the ground.

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That is the key point. And not only in humanitarian terms, but also politically,

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We should push for Hezbollah to be disarmed.

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We should support the Lebanese government.

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We should also support those Shiite forces in Lebanon that are distancing themselves

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from Hezbollah. And we simply have to help.

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Of course, we must also influence Israel.

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Refugees from the south told us this as well. They begged us,

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repeatedly saying, please, please, please make sure that Israel stops bombing in the south.

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An elderly man told us that he had fled 10 times in his life.

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He was someone who grew oranges.

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Er sagte, dass jetzt es die Weihnachten und die Orangen sind in der grove.

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Er sagte, dass sie die Kinder gemacht haben. Was haben sie getan?

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Sie haben nichts gemacht. Und sie sind sie, sie sind, verletzten,

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verletzten. Und das muss stoppen. Und ich denke, das ist das was Deutschland,

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die sich eigentlich tun.

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Intervene mit den beiden Seiten der Konflikten und auch die Influenz auf die

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Lebanese Regierung so dass die Menschen eventually haben eine peacefulfüße und wiederholen Lebanon.

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Das war heute's episode of In Crisis Mode.

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This podcast was produced by Alexander Baumeister who is also a journalist working

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